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August 08, 2010

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bermudaonion (Kathy)

I'm so behind - I haven't read this yet. My husband is chomping at the bit for Mockingjay!

S. Krishna

Those are GREAT questions! I didn't think about Katniss' dismissal of her mother's abilities, as compared to how she used them in the Games, but you are right.

Also, I think Katniss' appraisal of her relationships with both Peeta and Gale is really naive. I would love Mockingjay to end with her picking neither of them and spending some time on her own!

Michelle B

Great questions Jen. I finished Hunger Games on Saturday and had my DH pick up Catching Fire for me - I'm now half way through!

Given the premise, I didn't think I'd like the book, but I got into the story right away. I want to tell other friends to read it, but how do you put a positive slant on 'The Games'? Guess I'll just have to tell them to trust me on this one.

Autumn

As a mother, I was pretty surprised at my ability to get past the premise of the book and focus on the story. I know the movie rights have been purchased and since the books are so popular it stands to reason they will make a movie, but I have to wonder how they will since it is such a difficult subject matter. It's horrible! Obviously other movies of a similar topic have been made, but those were hard R "action" guy type movies. They weren't based on YA books.

I found Katniss' relationship with the boys/men to be extremely niave. Poor girl. I found myself shaking my head at her thoughts and actions towards Peeta all the time.

The Muttations were horrible! I'm currently listening to The Passage on audiobook right now and it made me think of the Virals in that. Do you think they were really the players or do you think they were just something to make Katniss think they were the players?

Darsa

I only have a second, so I'll probably come back for more...

When I was first told the premise, I was certain I'd never read it. You know, the whole Baby Broke Me syndrome. Not at all my thing. So, I, too, was surprised that I got so into the story without a pause. As for the deaths, they were as "tasteful" as I thought they could have been, under the circumstances.

Muttations:
But, once I got over thinking the term "muttation" was a horrible pun, I was horrified that perhaps there were elements of the original kids in them... and then I decided they were zombie-like. Even if there were body parts, the mind and "soul" were gone... so what did it matter? I did think it was a strange choice... and I feel like I'm missing some deep metaphor.

Off to the library now... thanks for doing this!!

Jennifer Y.

1. I was able to get past the premise pretty quickly, which is shocking for me. I'm not just a crier, I'm a weeper. Maybe it was the matter of fact way Katniss talked about it. I don't know.
2. I didn't really think about it. Yes, she did rely on her mother's knowledge of healing and "mixtures" a bit, but her mother in essance abandoned her (and Prim) for a long, crucial time. It takes a lot to get past that. Especially for teenagers!
3. Katniss did seem naive when it came to the boys. But, she's young. And, everyone in the District is so focused on surviving, there doesn't seem to be much time for romance. I can see why it didn't cross her mind. And, why she would be suspicious of Peeta's motives (during the Games and all).
4. Yes. And, then I was kind of disgusted with myself. Morbid curiousity. Ugh.
5. Muttations: Brilliant on the part of the Game makers.

After digesting this book for a bit, I realized that we are not all that far from this. It's horrific to think about, but look at reality TV. People will willingly do anything to be on TV. Look at Survivor, they are not killing each other, but there are lots of similarities. It scares me to think that we make only be a few steps away from something like the Hunger Games. And, not even as part of the end of the world!

Couple of questions I'm interested in... how did Thresh die? Was there an underlying reason that Cinna requested District 12? Maybe it's answered in the next book. I'm waiting for Catching Fire from the Library.

Book Club Girl

Kathy - theres's still time to join us, you can read these books very quickly!

Loving reading everyone's answers. And yes, I understand Katniss' feelings toward her mother completely, I just really liked that Collins made it that it was her mother's skills that she needed so that somewhere deep inside she can perhaps someday acknowledge that her mother isn't completely worthless. But I know that what she did to her daughters was horrible.

I'm curious about Thresh's death as well - but then, like you said Jennifer, I feel morbid for wondering.

In terms of getting over the premise, Collins, imo, also made it possible for us to stay on Katniss' side and kept her sympathetic, by making all of her kills acts of self defense or vengeance (unless I'm forgetting one?).

Mrs. DeRaps

I linked to your post in my Mockingjay Madness entry...I'm trying to keep track of as much Hunger Games buzz as I can before Mockingjay is released!

Book Club Girl

Thanks Mrs. DeRaps! Look for questions and thoughts re Catching Fire next Sun/Mon, and perhaps some more in between!

Michele@A Reader's Respite

Admittedly, my motherly instincts didn't kick in on this book...I slid very easily into the story without question. As for Katniss's mom, I am hoping she plays a larger role in the second book (just downloaded it to the Kindle but haven't started it yet). She strikes me as a character with potential.

I saw the Gale and Peeta thing as a set up for the rest of the books....as in: we can all see where this is going.

I wasn't thrilled with the "muttations"....mostly because of Rue, though. I thought it kind of cheapened her character (she was one of my favorites in the book).

All in all, I enjoyed the book...it certainly held my attention. And I certainly want to read the rest of the trilogy. I think it's a great intro to dystopian fiction for pre-teen/younger teens. Glad I read it (finally!!).

Lauren

Finished the book in TWO days. Seriously, it's that grabbing. I'm so glad there's a read-a-thon to participate in and share what I thought, and read the reactions of others. :)

1) I was, and it was a bit crazy. Having read Battle Royale before, I knew what to expect - but still. It's still intense. At one point, when Katniss went hunting, I had to remind myself how scary it must be for her because SHE COULD DIE.

2) That IS an interesting realization, and I really agree with it. I actually saw it the other way, though. Due to her mom's situation, Katniss had to take care of herself - and because of that, her learned abilities were also what kept her alive - and fed.

3) Very. At first I was like "COME ON," but then I realized she didn't really have any experience in the whole dating/crush field. So, it's okay. I must say, though - I'm Team Peeta right now. Gales great and all, but he lost his chance.

4) Yes! Is that sick? It's pretty sick.

5) Extremely shocking and gross. A bit unnecessary too - but that was the point, I think, to show HOW bad the capital really can be.

Loved the book AND the article you linked to from the Times! Can't wait to discuss the next one!

By the way, if interested, here's my review: http://www.halfdesertedstreets.com/2010/08/book-review-hunger-games.html

Jill Kennedy

I just read this post about a "Mogul Book Club Meeting" with people like Rupert Murdoch (the meeting was on his boat) and Sumner Redstone. And they read "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo". Odd stuff but kind of funny.

http://mankabros.com/chairmans-blog/2010/08/book-club-meeting-on-rupert-mu.html

PK9

1. I got past the premise somewhere in the middle of the first readthrough. I think part of it is because Katniss is a very practical person - she doesn't spend a whole lot of time wallowing in the despair of the Games, she focuses on doing what needs to be done to stay alive. Once I got past the premise, though, I found myself going to the opposite extreme, even viewing the events like the Capitol audience might, analyzing strategic mistakes and such like it was a football game.

2) I don't think K dismissed her mother as ineffectual overall. She simply could not forgive her for going catatonic after K's dad was killed. And I think K used skills learned from Gale and from her dad as much as those learned from her mom during the games.

3) Absolutely. I don't have the book in front of me to quote directly, but to paraphrase there was a moment in chapter one where Katniss says something to the effect of "if Gale wanted a wife, he could take his pick of the girls from the village". Oh Katniss, he doesn't want A girl, he wants YOU.

4. Only in the times when Katniss misses out on events occuring elsewhere (for example, Thresh's death). For the most part, Katniss put us into the shoes of the viewers with her imagination ("right now the viewers must be so excited because such-and-such is happening", etc).

5. When I first read that part, it was really jarring. I thought that maybe SC was throwing us a curve by suddenly introducing something supernatural into the book at that late stage. It was only later that I realized it was probably just a scientific explaination, some sort of genetic splicing to screw with the minds of the contestants. Which made me wonder if there was a Katniss-mutt that was created but not used because she was not dead.

Overall, I feel like the distinction between "heroes" (Katniss & Peeta), "villians" (Careers, Capitol), and "innocent victims" (Rue, Foxface, Thresh, etc) was too defined. There were no grey areas for tough moral choices. Ultimately only the Careers choose to kill for the purpose of winning, and in fact SC paints them as killing for enjoyment. Katniss makes four kills, three in self defense or defense of her ally, and the final kill (Cato) as an act of mercy. When the Gamemakers try to force either Peeta or Katniss to kill the other to win, they find Door Number Three with the nightlock.

I'm six chapters into CF...

Book Club Girl

Thanks Michele, Lauren and PK9 for your answers and your thoughts! I'm halfway through CF now, so it's hard to comment on these questions and answers now, without being clouded by CF, but I love that there is so much to discuss in these books. I should be finishing Catching Fire any day and will post questions this weekend!

Mrs. N

I actually haven't read Catching Fire or Hunger Games because my very trustworthy best friend has told me that I won't be able to handle them. I feel ridiculous saying that as a grown woman, but on the other hand, I feel good that I'm not reading it just because it's incredible. Sometimes even incredible things should be skipped if they really will upset or disturb you.

Jackeline

1. Even though I felt incredibly horrible due to specific scenes and occurrences, I was able to move on quickly.

2. Exactly! Katniss hasn't realized it yet, but, ultimately, she is her mother's daughter.

3. Frankly, I didn't. Romantic relationships have never been on her mind, so it's all new territory for her. (I'm Team Gale, though! ;) )

4. Yes, but isn't that just horrible?! We certainly are the Capitol.

5. At first I was weirded out by the Muttations. Ultimately, it goes to show how horrible the Gamemakers are.

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